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Districts need good leaders

February 12, 2013

On the horizon — and already taking hold — are many changes in the way we think about education....

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HonestAbe

Feb-13-13 4:54 PM

I like the County/Regional school idea myself. Disagree on the idea of hiring more teachers or spending more on teachers and agree we could have less teachers and save the taxpayers money instead. Large class rooms in lecture halls or online is the way of the future.

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 3:17 PM

Yup Laker, they applied all those rules to plant the various seeds that have since sprouted.

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laker88

Feb-13-13 2:42 PM

Who agreed with John Birch Society co-founder Robert Welch that Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in WW2 and President of the United States Dwight Eisenhower was a communist agent??? The answer...Cleon Skousen author of The Naked Communist.

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 2:11 PM

Pretty eye-opening huh? That's what yesterday's 'progressive' postulated and today's 'progressive' continues seemingly unabated. That' also why I condemn, vilify, and challenge EVERY instance of 'progressive-ism' whenever the opportunity presents itself.

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 2:00 PM

JohnSteady, replace 'used to pay for more teachers' with ' used to lower property taxes' and you're on to something.

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drugsrus

Feb-13-13 12:49 PM

swizzer- it's not just "parents up here", it is mostly parents in urban areas all over. The affluent suburbanites have an image to maintain, even though some are barely able to maintain thier lifestyle and are up to thier necks in debt, they manage to keep the kids in the dark until the bottom drops out or manage to at least keep up appearances. BUT the kids are taught values and discipline and that without education thier chances of sucess are slim. Somehow the kids get that and are good students.

The point that most everybody is missing is that teachers don't teach, students learn

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rschweizer

Feb-13-13 12:28 PM

Getreal, you may remember from your years there, but ask any family you may still have down there what the average tax bill is for school districts anywhere on the North Shore.

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drugsrus

Feb-13-13 12:26 PM

about 10 minutes - The Naked Communist on YouTube - It may surprise you, especially the Obamaites

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rschweizer

Feb-13-13 12:25 PM

drugs, that's exactly my point. We already had the talk about affluence versus poverty several topics back, but (and what I failed to add but what Bob did) was that parents up here tend to think that the schools are just there to babysit children and hat parents should have less and less of a say in upbringing. The difference is when you hear a parent say 'oh, he must have learned that in school' versus a teacher saying 'oh, he must have learned that at home.' On the opic of taxes, it's a never-ending battle my sister and I have all the time: does she keep the 3-bedroom $650k ranch (yes, a ranch!), pay an arm and a leg in taxes, but get very good education, or move here for a house at a fraction of theirs down there and gamble with their education. She sees the value staying down there believe it or not.

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JohnSteady

Feb-13-13 12:05 PM

Part two: from the top to be more productive! There are no “Coleco’s or Playschools” moving into the area to have mass hiring’s to pay for the expense of all these Superintendents.

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JohnSteady

Feb-13-13 12:05 PM

Here’s a thought, merger all of Fulton County Schools into one larger District under one Superintendent or Chancellor! Look at the money spent by smaller districts for that position. It could actually be used to pay for some teachers instead of just one person. With technology today to host a class in one location and have students in another school watch and participate without the added cost of transporting them to different schools. I think Time-Warner advertises that fact. BOCES seems to be combining so many things why not invest in them to share classes without leaving the school? FMCC is right next door, they have to have something to offer high school students via the internet or a TV broadcast. If the “School District” was larger could we compete to get larger state funding? We could reduce redundancy of smaller classes across the county and put the teachers to better use. You have to look at the big picture and like in the business world, sometimes the fat has to be trim

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getreal

Feb-13-13 11:24 AM

Quality of life is what you make out of it....If you cant find a job in the county you live in, drive to the next.. I worked many years in Albany before getting close to home. And Yes I Agree there is no work here. Quality of life is also holding the people you live around accountable for maintaning there property controling their children, and giving back to the community. If you have more than half the people on DSS assistance that is not possible, however most of those people on assisitance are people who refuse to work, and not because of lack of jobs.

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 10:40 AM

Now, go read the other 44 steps and see how many have been accomplished so far. On a more personal note Rs..you might understand me better after reading that.

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laker88

Feb-13-13 10:38 AM

I totally agree with gville70...a superintendent needs to have a good business background/business sense. Even with a District treasurer, the buck stops with the Supt. An incompetent Supt can spell disaster for a District. Keep an eye on St. Johnsville-OE...if the political witch hunt nonsense continues there, that merger may be doomed! Great comments about parents taking "ownership." Problems with education extend well beyond teacher unions...funding, mandates etc etc. Dad talking to his son after graduation...Dad: "Well son, what did you learn in high school?" Son: "Nothing dad, but I know how to take a test."

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 10:36 AM

I would like to add something that would further explain my adversity to our current education system. The following was read into the Congressional Record on 1-10-1963. by Hon. A.S. Herlong jr. Of Florida: Communism's 45 Steps, excerpted from The Naked Communist by Cleon Skousen. Remember, this was 50 years ago and one is particularly appropriate..#17 "Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the Curriculum. Get control of Teachers' Associations. Put the party line in text books". 50 years ago. Scary huh?

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 10:23 AM

I know drugs, 'pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall':Proverbs. I guess it is a conceit, but still, they'll never get my goat.

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PleaseGetAClue

Feb-13-13 10:21 AM

Drugs, you're correct. I have lived here my whole life. I see the good things, but, the reality is that without good paying jobs and a real tax base we are becoming less and less of what we used to be and people do not look to relocate here.

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drugsrus

Feb-13-13 10:15 AM

PleaseGetAClue - you have obviously lived in the area your whole life (so far). You fail to see all the good things around. The Histirical sites, not only in Johnstown, but Amsterdam, Saratoga and other places. The lakes, mountains, and general quiet atmosphere is all a plus. But as i said it is still in the Peoples Republic of New York.

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drugsrus

Feb-13-13 10:09 AM

the real problem in schools is all the political correctness and lack of discipline. The problem with mass home schooling is that most parents aren't equipped to do it right. Plus the kiddies don't get the interaction needed to hone social skills.

adkgirl - Bob is right about bullying, BUT bullying will never go away. It still needs to be handled one on one, like the old days.

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PleaseGetAClue

Feb-13-13 10:08 AM

Getreal, so you're saying it was the tax break that brought you here from long island and not teh quality of life? I can respect that, but with no available jobs, no investment in children, asanine childish political infighting, high taxes for no services we are not the most attractive spot for a young administrator to be looking for work. If teh quality of life here was better, the salary would be a secondary point.

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drugsrus

Feb-13-13 9:57 AM

Farfrmcenter posts nothing and somebody hits the disagree button ??

swizzer- in Westchester and Rockland Counties generally people are more affluent, more engaged in the life of thier children and the kids are more respectful to teachers and parents. Attitude more than anything is what keeps graduation rates and grades up.

getreal's answer to "Pleasegetaclue" was right on, IF you are determined to stay in the Peoples Republic of New York

Bob- if pride is the only anchor keeping you there, I hope you don't go broke holding your head up. You won't lose any pride by leaving NYS and you will have someplace to visit. The only thing keeping me from moving back after 40 yrs. is that Fulton County is in NYS.

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 9:47 AM

Gotta love the disagree on farfromcenter's post!!!!! I thought it was pithy and to the point.

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 9:45 AM

Adkgirl..nice. New type of old-school thinking, Home Schooling. One thing though, bulling on the internet is almost an Olympic Sport.

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adkgirl

Feb-13-13 9:36 AM

Need to look at bigger picture. Education needs to be conducted online. Only people with kids pay for. No bullying, school shootings, physical buildings, busing, etc. Children can get enrichment/sports through Scouts, 4-H, church, and other community organizations.

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MrBoB51

Feb-13-13 9:07 AM

Rs, your last post was dead on. In my opinion too many parents let schools, and by extension teachers, become permanent care-takers of their children and expect them to do their parenting job for them (that and the T.V.). What you got in return is a disaster and as Rs said, 'no incentive' for the teacher or student to excel.

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