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Cheers and jeers

April 20, 2013

CHEERS — To responders. The images of heroic acts after the sickening Boston bombings are fresh in our minds....

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TiredOfTax

Apr-24-13 7:23 PM

A congressional report released Tuesday on the terrorist attack on the U.S. State Department compound in Benghazi, Libya says there is “ample evidence that the attack was planned and intentional” and that al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and al Qaeda-linked Ansar al-Sharia joined in carrying it out.

The report also notes that al Qaeda-linked Ansar al-Sharia took credit for the attack while it was still unfolding, and that the State Department reported this at the time to other government agencies, including the White House.

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rschweizer

Apr-24-13 4:13 PM

Funny how Republicans were screaming Democrats 'never waste a tragedy' after the atrocity at Newtown while they claimed Democrats were trying to 'shred the Constitution'...

...and yet here we are with another atrocity and Republicans are trying to use these events as a means to 'shred the Constitution' by using them as an excuse to expand domestic surveillance, wiretapping of innocent people, video recording on every street corner.

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rschweizer

Apr-24-13 1:09 PM

ataxpayer, apologies. I thought that when you said 'he voluntarily renounced it himself' that you were speaking matter-of-fact; turns out you were just opining. I see. Understood.

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ataxpayer

Apr-24-13 12:42 PM

RS no one said he revoked it himself "you're misreading and interpreting" I said: "as I see it he voluntarily renounced it himself". I'm not making up the rules as I go along..I'm stating my opinion..We are blogging in the OPINION section of the LH are we not?

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rschweizer

Apr-24-13 12:05 PM

TiredOfTax, you definitely win the critical reasoning and thinking failure award today.

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rschweizer

Apr-24-13 12:04 PM

TiredOfTax, my comment about his being released on bond was mde BEFORE he was released altogether due to no evidence.

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rschweizer

Apr-24-13 12:03 PM

ataxpayer, no he did not 'revoke it himself' and no you cannot simply make up the rules as you go along.

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adkkev

Apr-24-13 9:13 AM

The gov't cannot revoke citizenship without going to court. And the bomber's citizenship could be revoked after his trial for the bombing & his likely conviction.

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ataxpayer

Apr-24-13 9:01 AM

RS - In regard to revoking his citizenship,as I see it he voluntarily renounced it himself. At the same time he was committing the "crime" he was also renouncing his alleged loyalty to our country (sworn to under oath on 9/11/12) and forfeiting the gift of U.S. citizenship. Sure, he didn't sign an oath of renunciation but he made his position and lack of loyalty very clear on the streets of Boston.

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ataxpayer

Apr-24-13 8:45 AM

Interesting (or maybe quite frightening) that 2 people on here disagree with my Apr-23-13 8:21 PM post: do you disagree that he should "support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against ALL enemies..." or that "the suviving bomber was a citizen but his brother wasn't"? Or maybe you feel that he did "defend the US from the enemy." Possibly you disagree with the FACT that "he worked side by side with him to cause great harm against his fellow citizens." Tell me, what do you disagree with?

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TiredOfTax

Apr-24-13 7:50 AM

Did anyone notice that our good friends from Iran sent aid from Al-Qaeda to bomb the rail system in Canada? Likely not Muslim likely really the Tea Party... I sure hope that you liberals get to blame an actual event on mostly white middle aged men who want the country to turn the problems around. They are the real terrorists! As said by the progressively regressives! It was so close on the mississippi man ricin thing... but maybe it is the karate mensa guy? He could fit the bill?

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TiredOfTax

Apr-24-13 7:30 AM

I really enjoy helping you show your true brilliance RS but I am finished going tit for tat with an unarmed man! You have lost that lustre!

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TiredOfTax

Apr-24-13 7:28 AM

I draw your attention to your sentence number 2 (TWO) for your consideration. I say that he was released! Cleared of charges. Tell me who is backpedaling now?

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TiredOfTax

Apr-24-13 7:27 AM

Hey RS!! YOUR POST ON THE MISSISSIPPI SUSPECT! You post anything to be argumentative right? rschweizer Apr-23-13 2:47 PM Agree | Disagree TiredOfTax, funny how you left out the very important details aboud the man accused in the ricin mailings.

1) he was released after posting bond;

2) the charges against him have NOT been dropped, nor has the investigation stopped

3) he was allowed to post bond or bail (as opposed to being denied the chance) after investigators found no ricin or traces of it in his house or car

I just wanted to include the very important details here since you not-so-cleverly decided to convieniently leave them out

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rschweizer

Apr-23-13 11:52 PM

TiredOfTax, the ricin man was released because there was no evidence to prove he could even be linked to it. What's the issue?

So now the investigation continues to either a) find the ACTUAL guy; or b) find new evidence that puts the original guy as the suspect.

You see how the system works?

Probably not, because you're incredibly disrespectful.

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rschweizer

Apr-23-13 11:46 PM

TiredOfTax, the FBI is heading the investigation. Not the 'Obama administration.'

So the question was and remains: what on earth are you talking about?

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rschweizer

Apr-23-13 11:36 PM

ataxpayer, no one said his citizenship can't be revoked- you're misreading and interpreting.

What cannot be done is revoke it and for the purpose of treating as an 'enemy combatant.'

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adkkev

Apr-23-13 10:27 PM

and ToT ... I'm a racist? Really? How so? What have I written that would lead you to that statement?? Because I quoted you? Wow.

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adkkev

Apr-23-13 10:24 PM

From newcitizen dot us: "it’s not as easy to take away your citizenship and Certificate of Naturalization as the law reads. Even if you were not entirely truthful or forthcoming during the naturalization process, the USCIS just can’t arbitrarily revoke your citizenship. Citizenship is one of those fundamental rights that our third branch of government (the judicial branch) takes very seriously." So it looks like citizenship can be revoked BUT only within the jurisdiction of the federal courts. It seems to make more sense to try the bomber in the civilian court system, he'll be proven guilty, and then just lock him up somewhere, no need to make him a martyr for jihad via the death penalty.

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ataxpayer

Apr-23-13 10:10 PM

I'm still waiting for RS to say that my comment regarding revocation of citizenship is wrong...or maybe we should ask the bomber if he feels like he made a mistake and feels like renewing the oath he made on 9/11/12 (another slap in the face) to this great country that welcomed him in with open arms, gave him an educational opportunity (and I'm sure we funded it), gave him the same rights and opportunities we all have as americans. Sadly, he stripped four people of those rights and opportunities with hatred and violance and changed hundreds of other lives forever.

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TiredOfTax

Apr-23-13 9:49 PM

Hey RS!! Check this out! US prosecutors have DROPPED charges against a Mississippi man accused of sending ricin-laced letters to Barack Obama and a US senator, according to a court order signed by a judge on Tuesday.

The move came hours after Paul Kevin Curtis was released from a Mississippi jail on bond. In a court order calling for the charges to be dismissed, prosecutors said the "ongoing investigation has revealed new information" without providing any additional detail.

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TiredOfTax

Apr-23-13 9:23 PM

TiredOfTax, the 'Obama administration' isn't heading the investigation into the racin incident, so what on earth are you talking about?

So an attempt on a president's life is of no consequence? Not a federal matter, not being investigated by Feds??? What planet are you from RS?

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drugsrus

Apr-23-13 9:08 PM

uh oh, somebody has put swizzer to the test and presented contrary evidence. - So where is the coverage of the Saudi national being deported???? You know, the one with the student visa to go to school in Findlay, Ohio and an apartment in Boston (I'd hate to make that drive every day)- It's a shame he couldn't find a place closer

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ataxpayer

Apr-23-13 8:21 PM

From the oath: 'that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. So the suviving bomber was a citizen but his brother wasn't...so did he defend the US from the enemy? NO! He worked side by side with him to cause great harm against his fellow citizens.

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ataxpayer

Apr-23-13 8:10 PM

In fact, Former Massachusetts U.S. Attorney Michael Sullivan wants to do just that, and I totally agree with his reasoning: “After making false statements under oath and committing these acts of terror against our nation and its citizens, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has renounced any alleged loyalty to our country and has forfeited the gift of U.S. citizenship our great nation has bestowed upon him, it should be revoked as quickly as the law allows."

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