Public questions school officials
More than 50 attend budget hearingBy RODNEY MINOR, The Leader-Herald
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Budget highlightsThe following are highlights from the Gloversville Enlarged School District’s 2008-09 budget proposal:
• $50.6 million budget
• 6.9 percent tax-levy increase
• Staffing cuts, including the removal of three librarians
• Program cuts, including seventh-grade modified sports
• Vote scheduled Tuesday from noon to 9 p.m.
The Board of Education last month adopted a $50.6 million tentative budget, which includes a 6.9 percent tax-levy increase.
That is a concern for city resident Arthur Simonds, who also is a member of the city Zoning Board of Appeals. Simonds said residents of the district do not have the high-paying jobs necessary to afford the tax-levy increase the school board is proposing. He questioned how much the school district was spending on aides, substitutes and custodial staff, saying those jobs easily cost the school district more than $100,000.
Roger Rooney, the assistant superintendent for curriculum, said in the case of substitutes, 90 percent of the time they are brought in to cover for a sick teacher. The school district does not have the resources allowing someone who is already working to cover for an absent teacher, he said.
Teacher’s aides come in several categories, and a number of them are special education aides, Rooney said. Those aides work one-on-one with students and are mandated by the state, leaving the school with no discretion over their employment, he said.
Carm Serge, who was a special education teacher in the district for 26 years and later became principal at the Mayfield Junior and Senior High School, said he knows from personal experience what type of administration is needed at a school.
Serge said Boulevard Elementary School, with the number of students it has, does not require a principal and an assistant principal.
“Paying an elementary assistant principal between $80,000 and $90,000 a year is insane,” Serge said. “We are paying an assistant more than principals in other school districts make.”
Thomas Komp, the principal at the school, was recently named the School Administrators Association of New York State’s 2008 Elementary Principal of the Year.
At Tuesday’s meeting, Serge pointed to Komp, saying the man knows how to do the job and can handle it by himself.
“I have no malice in this,” he said. “But desperate times call for desperate measures.”
Superintendent Robert DeLilli said the assistant principal, James Crawford, is a trained school psychologist. His presence allows two special education classes to stay at Boulevard, rather than have the students be placed in the Hamilton-Fulton-Montgomery Board of Cooperative Educational Services system.
DeLilli said that saves the school district about $450,000. The combined salary for Komp and Crawford in the proposed budget is $206,729.
The proposed budget would cut seventh-grade modified sports, money for clubs and extracurricular activities, money for library books and educational supplies, and summer school programs.
In addition, the proposed budget would cut three librarians from the school district.
Julia Smullen is a teacher’s aide at McNab Elementary School. A city resident, she said it did not make much sense to cut the librarians when the state is mandating certain reading requirements for students.
Business Manager Steve Schloicka said the decision was not final. State Sen. Hugh T. Farley, R-Niskayuna, was able to secure $200,000 in “bullet aid” for the school district, and the board will take another look at the positions.
At at district Board of Education meeting Monday, the majority of the school board was in favor of putting the money toward increasing the fund balance.
Schloicka said Tuesday a decision on any staffing cuts should be made in the next few weeks.
Smullen addressed a rumor that teachers would be cut. DeLilli said school officials would make every effort not to reduce the number of teachers. He said the school board is still going over the budget, however.
Overall, DeLilli said he was pleased with the turnout at the hearing. He said many of the suggestions had already been considered by school officials, so they were not surprised by what they heard.
He said in the future, it would help if more people showed up while the proposed budget is being put together.
“It’s good for people to see that there is no man behind the curtain in Oz creating this [budget],” he said.
The budget vote will take place from noon until 9 p.m. Tuesday.
If voters reject the budget, the district could adopt a lower contingency budget or present another proposal to voters.
Rodney Minor covers Gloversville. He can be reached at gloversville@leaderherald.com'>gloversville@leaderherald.com.
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MountainMan
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05-16-08 3:35 PM
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Hey, maybe you've haven't listened: Hey, Senator Farley could have used that $200,000 to LOWER your State taxes. He voted for the "Contract for Excellence" mandate which requires schools to spend MORE for NEW programs they don't need in the first place. Senator Farley is the problem. If you want LOWER taxes, vote him out. Hopefully, you heard this the second time around.
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TheArchitect
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05-16-08 2:59 PM
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The school board clearly knows that this budget will get voted down. The problem is that there is no consequence to the board since the outcome is a contingency budget full of increased spending and taxes. The district hasn't been put in a difficult spot. They get a nice spending increase. The tax payers have been put in a difficult spot, and Senator Farley was attempting to avoid that but our precious board of education has failed again. A law should be considered for "three strikes and your out" for a board who can't get a budget passed. Gloversville will likely be the only local district whose budget fails.
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MountainMan
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05-16-08 9:57 AM
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Hey, Senator Farley could have used that $200,000 to LOWER your State taxes. He wouldn't have needed any school district approval to do that.
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CommonCents
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05-16-08 9:28 AM
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TheArchitect, IF that is what he said to you, doesn't it bother you that the same office is sending out 2 opposite messages? And puts the school district in a difficult spot? I agree that I think it will be voted down, NOT because it's a bad budget but it's the ONLY budget that people get to vote on....imagine if you could vote for the city, county and state budget. This is the only way people can voice their opinion on ALL taxes.
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MountainMan
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05-15-08 9:23 PM
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Still believing that Senator Farley will save you? HA! He is a part of the problem, and he voted for the "Contract for Excellence" mandate and others which RAISE your taxes every year. If you want to stop the bleeding, vote him out, it's that simple.
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TheArchitect
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05-15-08 9:06 PM
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CommonCents, Senator Farley's office did not tell me that the bullet aid was to be used to reduce taxes, Senator Farley did. It appears that you spoke to his staffer and the staffer mentioned something about librarians. All of this is of little consequence since the school budget vote will ultimately fail and the budget will revert to a contingency budget, which will actually result in higher spending and higher taxes. Senator Farley was attempting to avoid that, but the adiminstration and the board have the final say. Get out your checkbooks and don't expect anymore favors in the future.
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ChanceOfSun
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05-15-08 8:39 PM
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Mayfield runs a pretty smooth district. We live in the district and our taxes stay LOW and our kids get an excellent education. I know that they are consolodating their business side of things with other local schools, gloversville not being one of them. They have only one reason to do this...to save people like me money. Noone was calling for them to do something about our taxes, they just knew it could be done and they did it. Kudos to them for taking this step.
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justforfun
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05-15-08 10:44 AM
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facts--i'll bet mayfield had far less special ed students to begin with. also, he (Carm) was employed there nearly 15 years ago...of course he made less...you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out....had he stayed and continued to be employed at Mayfield his salary with annual increases would be equal to principlas in the region today. be real people...can anyone say sour grapes? how 'bout you carm?
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Patriot1
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05-15-08 10:28 AM
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Attention downtown merchant - They only consolidate when they "have to" because those entities which duplicate municipal functions are in large part a political construct and a patronage mill which is a form of "political welfare". None of those involved want to give up their jobs and the "perks" that come with them, and government will not consolidate unless absolutely forced to. Those involved have too much to lose, and don't give a hoot for the economics or logic involved - they are protecting their jobs.
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downtownmerchant
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05-15-08 9:36 AM
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it seems like everybody is backed into a corner. the district (like other districts in depressed areas) have fiscal pressures from state mandates and payroll obligations. the taxpayers (myself included) are tired of average increases higher than inflation. and dont give me that STAR crap, im a commercial property owner...i get to pay the full shot. it looks to me like these smaller districts are gonna have to think the unthinkable....the dreaded consolidation. why is it that public service entities generally do what makes sense only when they are forced to?
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CommonCents
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05-15-08 9:33 AM
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Oh and Architect....Mountain Man is right, because if Sen Farley's office told you the money was ONLY to be used to reduce taxes, then why when I spoke to them they were concerned with NOT cutting the librarians?..let's see....the librarians were costing almost $200,000....and he gave the school district $200,000....hmmmmm....does that make sense???
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CommonCents
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05-15-08 9:28 AM
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Know the facts??...the fact is outside the auditorium Carm was saying that he had to "make it sound good"...ok, so 2 were'nt paid....that leaves two. He also only had a fraction of the special ed students and NO WHERE near the mandates to deal with. compare apples to apples
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usedtolivethere
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05-15-08 9:18 AM
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Duh, Griffin...so if you know the rule pertaining to late return of books, why didn't you help your irresponsible son? Another example of shifting responsibility to someone else and not accepting it yourself. Being a taxpayer has nothing to do with it. Other taxpayers' children might want the book that your son kept too long. Was that the librarians fault? Sheesh
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wirlwind
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05-15-08 8:09 AM
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From the State right down to the school level, changes need to take place. Unfunded mandates are hurting the local level schools and governments. Please, use this example when wanting universal health care. The same will happen. Government management = poor services.
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Griffin
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05-15-08 7:51 AM
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Librarians are wonderful people , I would Like to know why we need so many for reading skills, I have a son that needs extra reading and can't take books out from the LIBRARY becuase some LIBRARIAN made up a rule about retrunning books late For those of you that don't know... If your child takes a book back late 3 times Thay are no longer able to take any more books out.FOR THE REST OF THE SCHOOL YEAR I went to a meeting at McNab school about my sons reading skills and the group of teachers said to me he needs to read more... But he can't take Books out . Great JOB... take it away from a child in need that good teaching !!!! He hasn't been able to get book out as of October! Thank you for all your help. I am a tax payer!
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knowthefacts
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05-14-08 11:20 PM
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CommonCents has none! The two deans working in the main office were there one period per day each & were NEVER PAID-NEVER PAID!!!! They worked as a dean in lieu of a study hall!! I should know as I was one of those daens!! In the mid-nineties M-Jr/Sr. High had bigger #'s than Blvd School!!!
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MountainMan
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05-14-08 10:26 PM
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When will you people realize that Senator Farley and the State are a part of the problem, not the solution.
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TheArchitect
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05-14-08 10:05 PM
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This board's misguidance can be changed if enough people contact Senator Farley's office and voice their concerns. I spoke with Senator Farley and he was clear that this bulllet aid money was intended to go toward tax reduction and not to line the coffers of the districts fund balance to pilfer at a later date. He will make the necessary change if people standup and share their viewpoints. Senator Farley can be reached as his Johnstown District Office.
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sbdknitter
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05-14-08 5:26 PM
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So if they had BOCES responsible for special education students then wouldn't BOCES be responsible for paying the teachers and aides? Mr. Rooney definitely earns his keep. He is involved in cirriculum and a smarter man you will not find in the field of education.
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MountainMan
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05-14-08 5:05 PM
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Gloversville has experienced desperation for the past 40 years. This year has been no different.
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CommonCents
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05-14-08 2:26 PM
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Patriot1....I agree, the real complaint here is the state, stop waste at that level
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Patriot1
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05-14-08 2:07 PM
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Fifty years ago, "mandates" were virtually non-existent. Teachers taught. Students learned. Bureaucracy was kept to a minimum. The U.S. led the world in teaching the "hard sciences". Governmental intervention and control is primarily responsible for the severely diminished quality of today's educational process. Just one more example of how government has contributed to transforming New York State into a FAILED STATE!
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BPJessica
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05-14-08 12:33 PM
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What does Roger Rooney do exactly?
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livehereworkhere
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05-14-08 12:29 PM
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He also had about half of the special education students.
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CommonCents
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05-14-08 12:10 PM
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Carm Serge has a very limited memory....he had 4 Dean of Students to assist him....and a lot less students...Gloversville has always been a larger school district. Wonder how much the 4 people cost as compared to one?
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