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Gloversville district lowers dropout age to 16

By RODNEY MINOR, The Leader-Herald
POSTED: May 14, 2008

GLOVERSVILLE — The Gloversville Enlarged School District Board of Education on Monday changed the compulsory age of attendance for students.

The district had previously required all students who were not employed to attend full-time instruction until the end of the school year when they turned 17.

The change lowers the age to 16.

Superintendent Robert DeLilli said the school district has been considering the change for a couple of months. While school officials had hoped to narrowly tailor the policy, they had to generally lower the age to 16.

“One of our fears is that lowering it may make it an easy way out for some students who should not give up so soon,” DeLilli said.

Colleen Ulrich, director of student support services for the school district, said the school district probably has had at least four students attending classes only because the policy required them to.

These students see no value in attending school, she said. It is a struggle for them to stay in school, and sometimes they get angry and occasionally violent, she said. Many will not earn a diploma.

“They are not invested in school and have not been invested in school for many years,” Ulrich said.

With the school board considering how it would deal with its budget situation, she said, it was worthwhile for the board to consider what to do with these students. The board had to consider if it was worth spending tax dollars on students who would rather not be in school, Ulrich said.

“These are kids that would like to be out of school and working, quite honestly,” she said.

DeLilli said, to his knowledge, the school district was the only one in the Capital Region that required students to attend school until age 17.

Geoffrey Davis, superintendent of the Hamilton-Fulton-Montgomery Board of Cooperative Educational Services, said last week he would be surprised if many districts required students to stay in school past age 16, which is the age requirement under state law.

Davis said there are sound public policy arguments, however, for keeping students until they turn 17. Alternative forms of education might be found to help them, he said, and no one wants to add to the dropout rate.

Gloversville school board member Harry Wiggins said everyone feels responsible for what happens to children in the district, but the sad fact is that not all of them can be “saved.”

“There are students, at the age of 16, it will be time for them to move on,” he said.

DeLilli said the policy will officially go into effect next year.
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justforfun
05-19-08 4:05 PM
well my brothers and sisters...i do believe Barbara has summed it all up...amen. as for dumba and dumber? there is clearly no hope!

teebzz
05-19-08 1:25 PM
buck niney ate is to mutch, mabee a buck fitty, and u spelled skool rong.

InnocentParty
05-19-08 8:10 AM
I'sa grama skewl drupout. I sell you chizbooger furra buck niney ate.

Barbara
05-17-08 12:03 AM
Common Cents - As for my older son, he went to live with his father in Texas. I wasn't there to keep him on track. He was a very bright kid and could have been a straight A student if he had gotten the support from his father. His father was a drop out, so why should he bother to motivate his son to do anything.

Yes I am trying to do better with my other son, but his father has grabbed custody and so I am battling to get him back. And the reason that his father grabbed custody was to benefit his finances. School is the most important in my opinion and I do get involved with my son's education when I can.

Yes there are special programs for the learning disabled, but for the smart ones not so much. Also kids pick on the smart ones, I know as I went through that too. So that also hinders the smart ones from reaching their potential. I bet the smart kids get it harder in Gloversville than I did where I went to school.

teebzz
05-16-08 12:54 PM
see?.. it wasnt that hard was it? . just that u were basically listing and telling others what wrong they were doing and counseling.. also saying we shouldnt pass the blame, yet u are blaming parents that they arent doing their job. how can one person know everyones situation and feelings? u arent Dr Phil (gag) lol .. and think most people know that parents are responsible for their kids.. unless they are really messed up somehow.

CommonCents
05-16-08 9:32 AM
teebzz, don't mean to confuse you....my opinion is simple; This is good!!!!...parents; take responsibilty for your kids, the good and the bad....and oh yeah...Gloversville is the LAST district to lower the age to what NY MANDATES....all other schools have been 16 for some time now....I hope that clears it up

teebzz
05-15-08 8:20 PM
its a well known practice, if u want people to walk away with a point in mind, u have to keep it simple.

teebzz
05-15-08 8:16 PM
is it only me that thinks CommonCents comments are too mixed up with sarcasm and straight opinions that make it too much trouble to read 2 times to understand?

livehereworkhere
05-15-08 8:01 PM
What a great debate! Let’s see the two sides One blames the schools for students Wanting to drop out and the other blames the lack of parenting skills for student wanting to drop out. Now for my take. I do not think the teaching biz has changed all that much in the last 10 – 15 years subject content is taught and tested but what I do see is the type of parenting has. When most of us were growing up if we got into trouble at school we prayed they did not call home. Now the kid tells his parents that some dumb teacher said that they dropped an f- bomb and the parent calls the school and calls the teacher a liar. Lets not confuse tough teaching with the idea that that teacher has the time and energy to purposefully derail your child’s education. Truth to the matter is that your kid probably needs a swift kick in the pants. I know it always brought me to the light!

teebzz
05-15-08 7:21 PM
dublinbret .. i was agreeing with u. yes kids need to be pushed, and sometimes hard. and in order to get a higher education they have to get the basics, not just for the knowledge but to learn HOW to learn.

yankee21
05-15-08 4:01 PM
I understand that kids get bored in school but I also believe its the parents job to make them stay in school and think about thier future not just the present time being. Isn't Gloversville involved with BOCES? Don't they have numerous programs for male and female students to get involved in and start a career? I am just asking because I don't know specifics but that building out on 67 must benefit someone. I know these opportunities weren't there when I was in school.

justforfun
05-15-08 4:01 PM
dublibret---well put....some/many reject the idea that a vast majority of social ills stem from the lack of parenting skills---not lack of $. schools can't be parents--especially since no child is allowed to be left behind.....tests..tests...tests...tests...punishment....i think thats the system...BUT since many parents lack the skills ---schools are FORCED to be parents and as we all know kids love to rebel against their parents from time to time....and when they misbehave what do you do? take away the x-box? think about it.

dublinbret
05-15-08 3:10 PM
teebzz...the key words in my response were "Mom" and "Dad". Not the school district. As far as those who think that their kids should learn a trade instead of regular school classes, I have news for you- to be a successful tradesperson, you need to have a basic understanding of reading, math, etc. As a construction manager, I can speak from true life experience. I am currently on a $400 million project with over 1000 tradespeople on site Some of the comments on this blog are ridiculous, and some exemplify the vicious perpetual cycle of blaming everyone except the parents for the child's attitude and shortcomings. Yes, there are excellent programs for special needs kids, but you can't expect the school district to take care of everything. Take interest in your child's future and get off your lazy butt and show them you care. Show interest in their schoolwork, their hopes and aspiratioins. You may end up surprised at how your child grows.

teebzz
05-15-08 1:37 PM
dublinbret, u answered ur own question.."Why make a kid stay in school who doesn't want to be there?" ... "I thank my Mom and Dad for encouraging (pushing) me to go on to higher education and a better life style."

justforfun
05-15-08 12:12 PM
dap--wow how do you become a 'past mother' i thought it was a forever thing...oh well. judging from the 'brilliant' responses by some in this forum....clearly you were drop outs! perhaps you should gain some knowledge about education mandates and rules...then you may understand vs spew ignorant comments....by the way schools can't MAKE kids do anything....they all are empowered by their parents. saying anything Gloversville?

wirlwind
05-15-08 10:32 AM
Maybe our taxes will be lowered.

wirlwind
05-15-08 10:31 AM
Maybe this is the school districts' way of cutting costs.

lefty59
05-15-08 10:22 AM
I defense of Gloversville, my son went to Meco-Mcnab he came in below reading level they were very helpful and they were able to get him special help he is now doing very well. The teachers and school counselor were very supportive, there is alot of help for your children out there just go look up special education laws on the internet. I think all kids want to be successful. We lose them around 8th grade. Vocational classes should start earlier around middle school I think thats what they do in Europe. Just an Idea.

CommonCents
05-15-08 10:02 AM
oh and I can't let Barbara go....so your son has a GED and this prevents him from going to college???...Hmmm...I didn't realize that. Sounds like the Dad was being a parent and saw that his son was putting no effort into school and was trying to give him direction....you on the other hand have a seven year old now ...let's hope for his sake, YOU'VE learned from YOUR mistakes... Isn't it amazing that some parents take NO responsibility for their own children....always someone else's fault

CommonCents
05-15-08 9:45 AM
Some of the comments are great here....so let's recap...the school district should raise and babysit your kids so the parents can do their own thing....and let's see they will ALL stay here and live on the streets....funny stuff...shouldstayedgone says that his/her child sits in study halls...hmmm...let's see you're a parent....and YOU are doing NOTHING for YOUR child...but you want the school to force your child to be a plumble.....beautiful...I hope you all keep writing this stuff....it's priceless....and a another reminder...We were the ONLY school district in the area that was at 17....that means J'town, BP, Mayfield, Amsterdam, Northville, O-E....yup...all at 16...

gettinwhilethegettinsgood
05-15-08 9:29 AM
WOW thanks goodness I am leaving this area and this state. By the way Guinta, some branches have lowered standards, others have increased. Both the Air Force and USMC require individuals to have a HS diploma.

bennyboom
05-15-08 9:25 AM
people around gvill are slow as it is. or so make it worse that will work. Keep Up The good work. scrubersville

dap1407
05-15-08 8:52 AM
and....after getting my girls away from the non-caring attitudes of staff at ghs they both earned a ged and went on to further their educations and are working as professional in the medical field..hows that for kids who were tagged and put in detentions because no one took the time or effort. Education is not just for the smart kids who it comes easy to.....

dap1407
05-15-08 8:46 AM
This is no surprisd to me.As a past mother of two children who were allowed by GESD to choose their own fate When they became the legal age to be a drop-out ,Im appauled that now even younger students will have this freedom.Lets teach our children,now release them to the streets where they will learn how to sell drugs for a living,make babies too early in life and possible end up in the legal system behind bars.. When a child acts out and is in need of attention thats when they are crying for help..There is no one there for them in the school to extend them that help .its more easier to let them out the doors to fend for themselfs, When my kids were in GHS id drop them off and then get a call when I got home asking where are they? id go back to the school and find them and many others sitting on the hil drinking capichinno and smoking after sneaking out a back door of the school.Yeah lets kick them out earlier ,because it s easier for the system

Griffin
05-15-08 8:27 AM
Drop out = DSS

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