Road change possible in city
State: Roundabout considered for 67-30A intersectionBy MICHAEL ANICH, The Leader-Herald
POSTED: May 22, 2008
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“It’s one of the options,” DOT’s Utica-based Regional Design Engineer Steve Zywiak said. “There’s a [possible] project for March 2011.”
If DOT doesn’t build a roundabout there, Zywiak said the state may consider left-turn options for the intersection, but he wasn’t specific. He said DOT may conduct a public hearing on the Routes 67 and 30A roundabout at a later date.
A roundabout is a road junction in which traffic streams circularly around a central island. The DOT has been building more of the roundabouts in the Capital Region. One is planned for the Routes 29 and 30 intersection in Vail Mills.
Johnstown Mayor Sarah J. Slingerland said today she hadn’t heard about plans for a roundabout at Routes 67 and 30A, but noted it’s a busy intersection.
“That particular corner, [Routes] 67 and 30A, does appear to be traffic problematic,” the mayor said.
There are several businesses in that area, including Eagle Chevrolet, The Tire Center, Schiavo’s Port Seafood and a convenience store.
Joe Polidore, owner of The Tire Center at 150 E. State St., said today
he hasn’t heard about DOT’s roundabout plans. He said he’s not sure how he feels about it and would have to see how it affects his business.
“It’s hard to say without knowing,” Polidore said. “We know we have a traffic problem at the corner.’
Fulton County Senior Planner Sean Geraghty said at Tuesday’s county Planning Board meeting that DOT is interested in the roundabout. He asked board members if they wanted to look into updating Fulton County’s prioritized “list of needs” of state road conditions.
The county Planning Department in September 2006 sent the report to DOT and listed the Routes 67 and 30A intersection as the top priority.
Geraghty said the report noted the intersection has become “very congested” during peak hours of traffic flow, such as Friday afternoon rush hour.
He said the report also indicated the “geometry” of the intersection causes severe turning restrictions, especially for northbound tractor-trailers on Route 30A turning right onto Route 67.
Geraghty said the absence of turning lanes on Route 67 also causes excessive delays at the intersection.
The county report from 2006 also noted the pavement on Route 67 from Route 30A to South East Avenue is in “terrible condition” and is a safety hazard, Geraghty said.
He said since that time, DOT has started planning for a “major construction” project at the intersection.
“I still think that’s one of our high- priority intersections over there,” Geraghty said.
In an effort to keep the county’s report to the state updated, he asked the board if it thought the priority list should be re-examined.
“I don’t know if you guys want to look at this again,” Geraghty said.
The board informally decided to re-examine some of the state road issues.
Geraghty said he has seen some “phenomenal” roundabouts built in other locations.
He said DOT’s planned Route 29-30 roundabout may be built in 2009.
“It’s pretty impressive what they’re doing there,” he said.
He said DOT wants to install sidewalks from Vail Mills into Broadalbin leading from that roundabout. He said the sidewalks will mostly be on the Route 30 corridor.
“[The town of] Mayfield’s going to end up with a lot of sidewalk” to maintain, Geraghty said.
He said the county’s Gateway to the Adirondacks Visitor Center at that intersection will have to undergo a “driveway change.”
Member Comments
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OldJoe
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06-26-08 6:24 AM
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woops.. wrong intersection.. I was thinking it was the vail mills fast-trac death circle spot. Not that I want one in J'town either...
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OldJoe
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05-26-08 8:25 PM
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These two intersections are the toughest on weekends when the tourists come and go. In New Jersey the traffic circle law is: “There are no set rules for driving into, around and out of a traffic circle” and “Whenever a motorist is in doubt… the vehicle to the left yields the right of way” (from njmvcDOTgov) In New York: “The vehicle approaching the circle shall yield the right of way.” (From safenyDOTcom) That’s right,, they are OPPOSITE laws. This will probably not be assisting the tourists/locals relations. Not to mention that the NJ state site also says “Common sense and caution must prevail at all times.” We know what a Jersey (and downstate NY for that matter) mindset of common sense is.. “I’ll do it MY way.” It will only take one accident in a day to eliminate any supposed traffic flow time savings these death circles could save. If you want to relieve congestion, extend Turkey Farm Road southeast thru the golf course, across 106 (Black street) and attach it to route 30.
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AuntieKracker
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05-23-08 11:35 AM
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It won't much matter - in 3 years none of us will be able to afford to drive to work due to the gas prices. So we'll all be walking through the roundabouts. BTW, I will never drive that way again - I'll cut through the city or I will go back roads. It is too bad the businesses near there will suffer from this but they will.
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EasyEJ
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05-23-08 9:27 AM
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Your "Tax Dollars" being spent on some lame-brain idea..maybe they should review the statistic's in a neighboring city (Syracuse,NY) the Carrier Circle just off the NY State Thruway (exit-35), know there is a real Death Circle.
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ibesky
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05-23-08 4:48 AM
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the smaller the roundabout, the more dangerous it is, especially if they are poorly marked. anybody ever have to go to kingston? that's a death trap if i ever saw one. and they get WORSE when semis are factored in (nature of the vehicle, not of the truckers). I'd really hate to see a roundabout in that intersection, especially in the winter. we should just add turn lanes on 67. it's the smarter option in my opinion.
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OxyMoron
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05-22-08 7:55 PM
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I have lived here all my life, grew up on Rt. 30A just up the street, and have responded to many accidents at these intersections. Accidents happen here because people are doing stupid unasafe things. Roundabouts will change NOTHING!
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Annarondac
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05-22-08 7:38 PM
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Please remember that these routes are too heavily travelled. 30 north needs 4 lanes. For Fulton County freeways are more realistic than slowing down traffic. Please check your references. Statistics can be manipulated to produce wanted results.
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drugsrus
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05-22-08 6:11 PM
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blah, blah, blah... yes, sometimes change is good, but round-a-bouts, traffic circles, or whatever else you call them have been a part of the landsacpe in New Jersey for years. The good news is that for the last few years they have been un-doing them for safety reasons.
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Rinner
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05-22-08 6:04 PM
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From the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety website: "A 2001 Institute study of 23 intersections in the United States reported that converting intersections from traffic signals or stop signs to roundabouts reduced injury crashes by 80 percent and all crashes by 40 percent." Due to heavy volumes during peak hours, there is only so much DOT can do. Do not confuse safety with excessive delay that occurs while waiting at a stop light. Shall we add another lane in each direction and create a freeway? This would definately be more costly than a roundabout. Design & Construction funds used for this project were programed years ago. Spending money on infrastructure is a necessity not an option. Roundabouts are the way to go.
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Annarondac
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05-22-08 4:24 PM
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Just remember the $6 billion ($6,000,000,000) reading experiment on the tax payers backs? Hmmmmm......
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Annarondac
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05-22-08 4:22 PM
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From info from the NYS DOT: Canada, Australia, France, Denmark, England and Germany were part of a general study for initiating roundabouts in the US. These countries have very different driving modes than the US. For urban areas in the US there was a 15% reduction in accidents as opposed to a 35% accident reduction rate in rural areas. Only 8 roundabouts were studied in the US for this experiment. I think before the STATE determines we need roundabouts, more study should be initiated. If we put roundabouts is high traffic areas, which will cost in the millions to engineer, is it really worth 15% reduction in accidents? Even though these are rural areas, they are major hubs of transportation for the county. You are the tax payer. Voice your opinion and do some more research.
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wolfman
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05-22-08 4:12 PM
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JUST ANOTHER CHANCE TO RAISE TAXES AGAIN
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itsjustme
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05-22-08 3:54 PM
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Change is good folks!
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IKnooow
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05-22-08 2:58 PM
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Left turn lanes are more than enough 85% of the time at that intersection. It's only during afternoon rush hour that things back up. Rotaries work fine as long as people observe the right-of-way, something I rarely see in my travels to states that use them extensively.
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Rinner
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05-22-08 1:36 PM
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Considering the peak traffic at this location now-things will be unbearable in the future. DOT is trying to reduce the problems that will occur in the future by considering changes NOW. Roundabouts work by allowing a continuous flow of traffic through the intersection, thereby eliminating any delay. European countries have been using them for many years. I think we need to stop being so narrow minded and consider changes that will make life easier for everyone in the future.
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jtownobserver
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05-22-08 1:23 PM
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They may as well just block the entire road off because no one will want to travel that way. They are actually comparing Johnstown to the Capital region???? We travel to and from work using that intersection every day. It is not as bad as traffic in the capital region as they are comparing it to.
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Sproutsdad
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05-22-08 1:17 PM
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Where I lived in New Jersey had circles and they are nothing but dangerous. Sure, they LOOK good on paper, but in reality they are bad news. People don't follow the right-of-way the way they are supposed to, and the congestion still remains.
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Annarondac
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05-22-08 12:46 PM
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This is absolutely mad. This is coming down from the New York State Department of Transportation, not generating from our town. This might be part of a pork project. I truly wish we could get rid of state aid and let us go back to home rule. Big Government is really getting on my nerves and spending my tax dollars on things we don't need. I guess I'll have to do some digging.
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MrRoboto
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05-22-08 12:31 PM
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Oh, for God's sake. WHY????? There's NO REASON FOR THIS.
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AuntieKracker
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05-22-08 11:58 AM
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here we go again --- why doesn't DOT leave us alone! So goes another intersection that will be totally unusable.
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Bill
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05-22-08 11:24 AM
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circles work but traffic signals with left turn green arrows are safer in the winter. What they need to do is open up dual lanes with jug handles
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