Wal-Mart closer to finishing plans for store
By RODNEY MINOR, The Leader-HeraldArticle Photos
Wal-Mart, which wants to build a supercenter at South Kingsboro Avenue Extension, resubmitted its environmental statement to the city Planning Board this week.
Planning Board Chairman Renato Sanges, who characterized the statement as 95 percent complete, said at a meeting Tuesday an intersection design that the board wanted to see was not done correctly.
The Hales Mills Road/County Road 128 intersection with Route 30A would shift farther to the north in the design the board wanted to see. Hales Mills Road would continue west in the design, crossing Route 30A, where it would connect with South Kingsboro Avenue.
The design submitted by Wal-Mart engineers is close to what’s at the intersection now, Sanges said.
Kim Thompson, the project coordinator, said the new design should be available to the board members in time for its next meeting June 3.
Sanges said it’s possible the board could deem the environmental impact statement complete at the June 3 meeting and schedule a public comment period for the project.
Fulton County Senior Planner Sean Geraghty, who advises the board, said the comment period would last for at least 30 days. A public hearing is typically conducted during that time.
When all the comments on the environmental statement are made, Wal-Mart must answer the questions.
The Planning Board then can decide whether the questions have been answered and accept the finished statement, Geraghty said. When that’s done, the other agencies involved in the project can begin their work.
“[The board] has not reviewed the site plan itself yet,” Geraghty said. “They will eventually have to approve that.”
More than 40 people appeared at Tuesday’s meeting. Many wore green stickers labeled, “Wal*Mart YES.”
After their presentation, the people working on the Wal-Mart project received a round of applause from the crowd.
Martha Curtin was wearing a green sticker. She said the meeting was positive, although she would have liked to have seen the board agree the environmental statement was complete.
“I think the city in general is open to the Wal-Mart supercenter,” Curtin said. “It represents progress.”
In January 2007, Wal-Mart unveiled its plans for the 186,979-square-foot supercenter. The project would involve the creation of 890 parking spaces, the extension of municipal water and sewer services, construction of storm-water infrastructure and a wetlands mitigation area.
The Wal-Mart on Fifth Avenue Extension in the town of Johnstown would close when the new store opens. The supercenter would employ about 200 people, almost twice the number now at the Johnstown store.
City officials have said the supercenter would bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars in sales tax revenue.
Wal-Mart could break ground in October, said Mayor Tim Hughes. The company has not given a target date for opening the store.
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Hoopoe
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05-23-08 8:10 PM
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FYI 'ibesky', Hannaford owns the existing Walmarts store building. Walmarts doesn't want to pay rent and wants to take a cut of Hannaford's grocery business.
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teebzz
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05-23-08 3:26 PM
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lol i still love the term "associates". still makes me laugh.
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questionsplease
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05-23-08 12:29 PM
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I will add to EasyEJ, that minimum wage creates what is called the working poor. People who do have jobs, but still can barely make an honest living. I wonder if there will be a direct correlation between people not being able to pay bills and put food on their tables and the increase of illegal drugs being bought and sold. The working poor will find a way to make money, to put food on their table, and pay the bills, unfortunately many times it is not legal. Becareful when you get stones rolling, sometimes they cause unforeseen damages.
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EasyEJ
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05-23-08 10:22 AM
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For the top billionaires, there was a five-way tie for sixth place between the widow of Sam Walton, Wal-Mart founder, and four of her family members. They were "each worth an estimated $20 billion -- making for a Walton's mountain of money that's bigger than the holdings of Gates and Buffett combined," the AP reported. One thing is clear about the Wal-Mart wealth. It is not flowing down to the companies' employees in the U.S., nor to the Chinese workers in Guangdong province being paid sub-human wages to make some of the commodities sold at Wal-Mart. The Walton billionaires profit from many links in the global commodity chain that is falsely called "free" trade by President Bush and Senator John Kerry, the Democratic nominee for president. Apparently, both men are unable to see the missing freedom in the U.S. for the work force at Wal-Mart, well-known for paying its "associates" low wages and benefits. The average hourly pay is $8.23 for a Wal-Mart
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Annarondac
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05-23-08 7:43 AM
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WM does not carry organic food and speciality items. I and two that I care for have special, specific diets with restrictions. Hannaford carries all the items I need. PC carries a small portion of what I need and a Super WM carries none. Super WM would out compete Hannaford and those with special needs would have to travel long distances. This, perhaps is a minor detail, but a niche that would be lost. If Super WM cared about health issues, they would carry healthy food.
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coachmike
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05-23-08 5:18 AM
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Pamela- I heard that target will be opening its doors sometime in October along with all the smaller stores surrounding it. I wonder if the real reason people shop all the time is that they have nothing else to do in life. Like others said there are other places better priced for food then walmart. Did you know if you want cheaper prices for steak, etc. you can buy bulk at quandts,aldis is good and hannafords has some food that is cheaper then pricechopper. Customer service is a must also, people that actually care about helping you makes a big difference. But with the gas prices, how much will we really be able to spend?
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ibesky
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05-23-08 4:56 AM
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Walmart should just build onto their existing store. That's what they have to do down south where there is no land to develop. Why leave another empty building? Just what FC needs, right? Pamela, I'm with you. Target is better. And on the wetland mitigation, of course WM (or any corporation really) will never properly construct or seed new wetlands. it's nearly impossible to get the hydrology right (unless the contractor is someone who knows and cares about what they're doing), and most use plants that aren't water tolerant, so there's no plant life after 6 months. Except the moss and algae.
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Pamela
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05-23-08 12:00 AM
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I want a Target! I hate Wal-Mart.. Target has better quality.
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whybother
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05-22-08 10:30 PM
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How come noone complained when Ruby and Quiri moved and left the nice big empty building, i am just not understanding all the talk about walmart leaving the building empty, here is an idea, lets work to get something to replace it.
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whybother
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05-22-08 10:25 PM
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Guinta, how come the hardware store will close when superwalmart gets here, we already have a walmart, the hardware department will be the same, you just keep shopping there and everything will be good
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whybother
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05-22-08 10:22 PM
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FireKat, go to Peebles and pick up any item and let me know where it is made at.
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TheArchitect
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05-22-08 10:05 PM
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This is not a done deal. DOT has to make a decision that will have considerable consequences. If DOT allows Walmart to break their long held prohibition on driveways and road cuts on Route 30A, then they cannot deny such modifications to others. This project would have a considerable negative impact on an existing roadway that cannot presently handle the traffic load. If Walmart were built and the whole ares was developed with nearby strip malls, the current roads cannot support this. Therefore, Walmart must pay to have Route 30A modified to a 4-lane highway at their expense to handle the traffic load their store will create. If not, an Article 78 petition will come the day after the planning board approves the project. The planning board needs to think this out long and hard.
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questionsplease
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05-22-08 9:15 PM
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Marking space, should be parking space. Sorry I got a little carried away. I was thinking why we shouldn't care about the nesting habits of birds or other animal that habitate around here. WE are being taking care of at this moment. The birds and animals will come back, RIght?
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xyz123
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05-22-08 9:14 PM
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get real folks, walmart wants your money. Ask the people in cobleskill how much they save at walmart. At first prices beat pricechopper but now they got a hold on you they save you nothing! Do we need another big building empty in the "old" spot?
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questionsplease
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05-22-08 9:11 PM
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Should we really call Fulton County, "The gateway to the Adirondacks"? Should we change it to, "The gateway to the asphalt playground"? I'm glad they didn't add on, or change some of that marking space into a new WalMart. Turning the wetlands and farmland into an imperialistic castle of business destruction, is much better. I'm glad Wal-Mart is coming to this area.
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AnimalLover
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05-22-08 7:00 PM
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My brother lives in syracuse and his Price Chopper gives you free gas credits on his advantage card(somehow), after he spends a certain amount of money. Why doesnt our Price Chopper do that? We all know why. In Syracuse they have Wegmans, Hannaford and a few other grocery stores, so they are trying to get people in there. They don't have to offer us that because they know we have no other grocery store to shop in. Maybe when Walmart comes in here we will get the same kind of deals.
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downtownmerchant
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05-22-08 5:51 PM
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walmart *****. but the reality is that more people like them than dislike them. they are huge, cheap, and ruthless. it makes a small business owner feel like one of those little mammals scurrying around (just trying to stay alive) while the big dinosaurs dominated the world.
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Guinta
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05-22-08 5:04 PM
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I get a kick out of the "wetlands mitigation area" plans. A Walmart built near our area had one of those too. The wetland area affected was 'moved' and the flora replanted. Less than a year after the W-mart opened the 'new' wetlands area was a dead wasteland. When W-mart opens, your Pricechopper will probably end up closing. So will any local hardware stores.
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IKnooow
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05-22-08 3:56 PM
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Did you realize there is a Hannaford's in Gloversville. What about Aldi's? Both places beat Price Chopper on price most of the time. I'm in favor of locally owned businesses too, but am happy to shop at WalMart for the convenience and low prices. If I can buy the same or better in a local store, that's where I go. But some local owners should remember that good customer service trumps low prices. I've ended up back at WalMart sometimes because the local merchant didn't seem to have the desire or attitude to serve. That's why they are in business.
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SNOWGRINCH
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05-22-08 3:48 PM
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Wal-Mart advertises “always low prices”… For me, when it comes to food, price isn’t always the deciding factor. I shop at both the local Price Chopper stores and I can sometimes find lower prices at other markets. Quality and freshness of the food is often more important than “always low prices”.
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SNOWGRINCH
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05-22-08 3:42 PM
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K-mart had a “Super K-Mart” in Amsterdam. They carried groceries plus all the normal products of any K-Mart. The problem with groceries and regular items is when you mix them. We’ve all seen a conveyor at the grocery store check out… covered with unknown goo, leaking milk cartons and the occasional squashed grape. When you approach the counter to buy a white shirt or a new set of bathroom towels, you end up placing your items on that same messy conveyor. It never worked well at Super K-Mart… I hope Super Wal-Mart has a better system.
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threeforever
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05-22-08 1:58 PM
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WalMart's would be a great thing for Johnstown and Gloversville. I can buy 2 weeks of groceries there and when I have to shop locally I spend twice as much. With the price of gas I have never paid so much for groceries. I love to be able to go and do everything all at once. WalMarts yes all the way!
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FireKatt
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05-22-08 1:58 PM
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Animal Lover...did you know that WalMart wants to legally remove from packages any information regarding where they purchase their food that you eat? Could it be that it is mostly imported and much cheaper for them? Pick up any item from WalMart and see where it was made. This includes the grocery store.
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jtownobserver
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05-22-08 1:27 PM
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I also wish Walmart would go away. Whatever I can't get from local business, I'll buy online. I hate when I have no choice but to go to Walmart. I do wish Johnstown had another chain supermarket because Price Chopper is supercrazy packed all the time.
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AnimalLover
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05-22-08 12:56 PM
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I wish Walmart would just get going on this. When they first mentioned this it was to be up and running by fall of 2006. I think this is a positive thing for all of us. Right now Price Chopper has no competition. Everyone needs to eat and everyone in Johnstown goes shopping at Price Chopper. With Walmart moving in, the prices there are much less so people will shop there and Price Chopper will have to come down some.
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