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Gloversville bus-stop plan criticized

By RODNEY MINOR, The Leader-Herald
POSTED: September 27, 2008

GLOVERSVILLE - The Gloversville Enlarged School District's plan to end door-to-door pickup for most of its students outside of the city starting Nov. 3 is under fire from some residents.

Bleecker resident Pat Ashbey said she is concerned students might not be safe if they end up having to walk to the new bus stops. She is working on circulating a petition against the school district's plan and intends to speak to the board about her concerns at its next meeting Oct. 7.

"If it is going to put a kid's life in jeopardy, it's not worth it," she said.

At its meeting last week, the Board of Education unanimously approved consolidating the routes its buses take to pick up students. Officials said by eliminating the need for buses to go down a number of rural roads, the district would save more than $40,000 by cutting about 88 miles off its school bus routes.

While the plan has been studied and discussed for more than a year, other issues in the school district delayed its implementation. When voters rejected the second bus proposition plan in August, the board members decided to go forward with the plan as a necessary way to save money.

While there was concern among the board members about the potential danger to some students, who could have to walk about 2 miles to get to their bus stop, it was noted that some city students have to walk that far to reach school.

However, Tammy Angus would like the school district to reconsider the idea, along with the comparison.

Angus, who lives in the school district on County Highway 112, said while many students in the city do have to walk to school, the situation is different in areas where the plan would take effect - in the towns of Johnstown, Bleecker, Caroga and Mayfield.

The rural students may live in a relatively isolated area, so if an accident does occur while they are walking to a bus stop, help may not be nearby. City streets also tend to be well-lit early in the morning, which is not the case with rural roads. While there are sidewalks in the city for students to use, that is not generally the case with roads in other areas, she said.

Angus said if school is delayed or closed after students start walking to the pickup point, there is no telling how long it will take for them to find out.

Ashbey and Angus said the different routes will not affect their kids, but they are both concerned, as parents and school district taxpayers, that someone else's child could get hurt.

They are not the only ones. Board President Perry Paul said four people have contacted him with complaints about the idea.

Paul declined to comment on the specifics of the plan and those concerns, because he was not at the meeting when the board approved it and has not been able to go over the details yet.

"The bottom line is the safety of the students comes first," he said.

Paul said he is confident Superintendent Robert DeLilli and Director of Operations Bill Ferguson will consider the effects of the plan before it is enacted.

Neither DeLilli or Ferguson could be reached for comment.

Rodney Minor covers Gloversville news. He can be reached by e-mail at gloversville@leaderherald.com.

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FEDUPWITHBULL
10-03-08 3:32 AM
Sighing, Please except my apology.I fully support public assistance for the elderly, disabled, or deserving needy. The people that I was referring to are the young unwed parent's in the community, who would rather receive welfare benefits than seek employment. Many have never had to work or pay taxes, therefor budget issues are not a priority to them. Unfortunately, Gloversville has the highest welfare rate in Fulton County. Try to find an apartment in Mayfield, or Bleeker Mountain. Less apartment's equal less welfare. Five separate homes will generate more property tax than one home with five apartment's. If being an elitist means a blue collar worker who drives a sixteen year old car, I'm guilty as charged! I do attend meetings in my own community, and I do vote. I hope this clears things up, Have a great day.

sighing
10-02-08 8:00 PM
Gees! FEDUPWITHBULL! A tad egotistical, eh?!

I rent and live in a 2-family house, so I do not *directly* pay school taxes. I guess you can say that I'm one of "these people" "living in social services" as I receive Food Stamps every month..I get $10.00 (and BTW, I was told to spend it "wisely.") I also receive SSDI, although I do work part-time from home. BUT, I vote in all elections, including school elections. So, just because someone is receiving social services, of any form, does not mean they are not aware of what is going on in their community AND many do take part in their community. Ya know, I think I'll add elitist along with egotistical.

FUWB, are you a Gloversville resident? Do you attend the Board meetings?

FEDUPWITHBULL
10-02-08 1:02 PM
Continued

Many of these resident's are living in social services. This does not create a more equally shared tax burden. Many of these people do not tend to get involved with current event's in their community, such as voting and school budget's. They do not receive a yearly tax bill, and therefore they do not comprehend the impact that this can have on ones life. Unfortunately, people like yourself are forced to pick up the slack. What Gloversville needs is more owner occupied homes back on the tax rolls. People who feel that they have a true investment in their community, tend to stay more involved with it's internal workings. I have no more to say on this issue except, good luck.

FEDUPWITHBULL
10-02-08 12:47 PM
I have not defended nor condemned the (BOE) in any way, shape or form. I have simply stated fact's. I posted the 2008-2009 tax table to show that your school district is receiving school tax from the resident's of the outlaying area's. The bus route in question also serves 120 families, which in turn amounts to more than just a few student's. Your school also receives a great deal of, both state and federal funding for each one of these "outlying area student's". I'm tired of hearing about all the Gloversville resident's who are "tired of paying for "free services" for these student's". Mayfield School seems to be doing well. Of their 7000 residents, over 98% of parent's and resident's reside in owner occupied homes. The tax burden is shared more evenly, and therefor the resident's are more concerned with the daily function's of their school system. The majority of Gloversville parent's reside in rented housing unit's. Many of these resident's are on soci

TiredOfTax
10-02-08 7:40 AM
TIREDOFBULL you have gone full circle here, you are boisterous when someone rolls over and lets you have your way with them or makes uninformed comments but you cannot fight the facts or defend some of these decisions made by the BOE. I for one have a hard time believing that they (the BOE) have anything but a self centered agenda in mind when they just try to outspend the last BOE to leave a legacy.(biggest school nicest playground whatever). I think it is time to CUT the BULL and get on with the real business of the education of our children. Move past the motherof2 thing and get to work!

FEDUPWITHBULL
10-02-08 1:58 AM
And once again, motherof2!

And Fedupwithbull, I did not call that kid disabled, that was a really stupid way of interpreting what I wrote. LET US EXAMINE WHAT YOU WROTE ON 09-29-08 at 11:29 AM.

The school district doesn’t have to offer busing for anyone that isn’t disabled, according to something I read from MOUNTAINMAN on another article. So I think Mountain man should be happy her kid doesn’t have to walk all the way down the mountain to school. FIRST YOU QUOTE MOUNTAINMAN AS SAYING THAT THE SCHOOL IS ONLY OBLIGATED TO BUS HANDICAPPED CHILDREN, AND NEXT YOU IMPLY THAT MOUNTAINMAN SHOULD BE HAPPY THAT HER CHILD WILL BE RIDING THE BUS! PERHAPS MOTHEROF2, YOU SHOULD SPEND MORE TIME WITH FATHEROF1, AND LEAVE THE BIG SCARY ISSUES TO THE GROWNUP'S!

FEDUPWITHBULL
10-02-08 1:25 AM
"More memorial excerpt's from motherof2" I got my way, they stopped some of the door to door pickup. haha I hope they never bring it back. AND HOW DID YOU ACHIEVE THIS? DID YOU CARE ENOUGH TO VOTE? that was my ? and no i did not vote on it thats why i didn't know DID YOU EVEN BOTHER TO READ THE ARTICLE'S PERTAINING TO THE BUSING ISSUE? August was a very busy month for me not much reading of the newspaper. lol. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU HAVE ACHIEVED NOTHING, EXCEPT VOICING YOUR UNEDUCATED OPINION ON ISSUES THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND!

FEDUPWITHBULL
10-02-08 12:59 AM
TiredOfTax,

I agree with you on the poor choice of location for the Middle School. I imagine this was the most cost effective location, due to it's close proximity of the High School.

motherof2
10-01-08 9:02 PM
Well, Life is too short to waste it complaining, I got my way, they stopped some of the door to door pickup. haha I hope they never bring it back.

And Fedupwithbull, I did not call that kid disabled, that was a really stupid way of interpreting what I wrote. I couldn't care less anymore, if it ever comes to a vote, about bringing back all of the door to door pick up, I will be right there saying: NO WAY, NO HOW, I don't think any child should be picked up at their door, except the Head Start program and even that I didn't do, I brought my child to school myself, still do and I will bring my second child to school myself. I care about every moment I get with my children. I guess the rest of you don't care about that. I am done!

TiredOfTax
10-01-08 6:02 PM
FEDUPWITHBULL 10-01-08 4:13 AM

Gloversville: $18.74 per $1,000 of assessed valuation - a 16.5 percent decrease

This was after the new assessment where mine nearly doubled, so also did the tax. Even though the cost per 1000 was down the price went way up! I would like to add your online name to mine. It fits nicely!

TiredOfTax
10-01-08 7:30 AM
FEDUPWITHBULL 10-01-08 2:46 AM »Report Abuse Tuesday, May 4, 2004 Voters to get say on Gloversville Estee school redevelopment plan

BUT voters got NO say on whether to close the school and build on the MOUNTAIN where EVERY child deserves a ride. On a road that on sunny days you cannot see to drive up. But I am glad to see we are finally getting your attention!

FEDUPWITHBULL
10-01-08 6:37 AM
"More word's of wisdom" The school district doesn’t have to offer busing for anyone that isn’t disabled,So I think Mountain man should be happy her kid doesn’t have to walk all the way down the mountain to school.ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT THIS CHILD IS DISABLED, AND IF SO, MOUNTAINMAN SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT IT? Why does the school board need our permission to buy new,IT'S CALLED DEMOCRACY!It should have made more sense to spend 19 instead of 60 but who knows why COMMON SENSE!As you can tell MY KID does not Qualify to ride a bus to and from school,or be kidnapped by one of the MANY TOO MANY Sex Offenders that live in the city.I HOPE NOT! Please forgive me if these excerpts are out of order.I am not normally accustomed to deciphering 10 paragraph's of run on sentences.

FEDUPWITHBULL
10-01-08 5:43 AM
"A few word's of wisdom from motherof2".

if you want door to door pick up then pay for it yourself its called a taxi! NO,IT"S CALLED TAXES! TAXES OF WHICH,3 OUT OF 4 MUNICIPALITIES ARE PAYING MORE OF THAN YOU ARE! oldjoe you are pretty childish to comment on someone's spelling mistake."differants" was meant to be Difference Ha ha WAS ANYONE ELSE DISTURBED BY THIS? Alright now I am confused,And in that case who is stupid, We need someone to point out the obvious to the board.I THINK IT'S SELF EXPLANATORY!

FEDUPWITHBULL
10-01-08 4:13 AM
The last post was excerpt's from the August 16th 2008 issue of the Leader Herald.As you can see it cut the list short, so here it is in full. The following are the adopted 2008-09 property tax rates for the Gloversville Enlarged School District and the percentage of change from the previous school year.

Gloversville: $18.74 per $1,000 of assessed valuation - a 16.5 percent decrease

Johnstown: $25.67 - a 2 percent increase

Bleecker: $18.74 - a 0.6 percent increase

Caroga: $35.35 - a 4.4 percent increase

Mayfield: $27.96 - a 12.6 percent increase.

FEDUPWITHBULL
10-01-08 4:00 AM
GLOVERSVILLE - Despite the fact the tax levy for the Gloversville Enlarged School District is going up, the tax rate for city residents is going down.

Despite the fact the tax levy increased from about $11.3 million, city residents will pay $18.74 per $1,000 in assessed property value. That represents a $3.68 decrease in the tax rate from last school year At a special meeting of the school district Board of Education Friday, a roughly $12.1 million property tax levy for the 2008-09 school year was approved. The board also approved the tax rates per $1,000 of assessed property value for the five municipalities in the district - Gloversville and the towns of Johnstown, Bleecker, Caroga and Mayfield. The following are the adopted 2008-09 property tax rates for the Gloversville Enlarged School District and the percentage of change from the previous school year.

Gloversville: $18.74 per $1,000 of assessed valuation - a 16.5 percent decrease

Johnstown: $25.67 - a 2 percent increas

FEDUPWITHBULL
10-01-08 2:46 AM
Tuesday, May 4, 2004

Voters to get say on Gloversville Estee school redevelopment plan

The Business Review (Albany)

The Crossroads Incubator Corp., the real estate arm of the Fulton County Economic Development Corp., gave the public a look at what the former Estee School in Gloversville could look like after a $6 million redevelopment project. School district voters will decide whether to allow the school district to sell the vacant building to the CIC May 18. The 170,000-square-foot school has been empty about five years following the construction of a new middle school.

If the sale is approved, the CIC plans to purchase the building for $150,000 and spend approximately $6 million to $8 million transforming the school complex into 29 residential units, and mixed-use space. Currently, instead of generating taxes, the school building costs the school district approximately $30,000 per year for insurance, heat, electric and maintenance.

rsoxfan33
09-30-08 11:31 PM
tired of tax, i don't want you to get all mad again but what about them selling the old estee building that was valued at 3.2 million for a couple hundred thousand..oh and remember those capital inprovements needed two votes because they couldn't budjet the money they got on the first vote to cover all the schools that were the original proposal..nice track record huh

TiredOfTax
09-30-08 1:29 PM
Lizzie they do not give me enough characters here on this site to quote all of the things the school board has done that upsets me. The library bail out in another example of misuse of taxpayer money. There are a lot more. If we the taxpaying public vote down every budget in protest of past board spending mistakes will that make since to you? I think it is time to inform people and try to work together with the community to get things done together without the animosity that we have going on here now. Shall I go out and publicly object to every expenditure getting my fellow voters as upset as I have become. Or shall we work together?

lizzie
09-30-08 11:59 AM
tired of tax, the "new" middle school was built more than a decade ago - it's time to let go. No one on the current board was on that board, so your blame is misplaced,

How anyone can be uninformed about schools purchasing buses, is beyond my understanding. It's the same way each and every time the district (or any district in NY State) needs buses, it has to be voted on by district residents.

And, like it or not, state education law gives boards the right to adopt a contingent budget with or without putting a budget up for a second vote. Many issues need to be resolved and/or changed at the state level, personally, I think this particular right should be done away with.

Just understand, to make "real" cuts in any budget involves cutting programming/services and personnel. All cuts effect the county as a whole (unemployment) not just our little part of it.

Jiminmb
09-30-08 5:56 AM
See? Like so many others, TiredOfTax cut off his nose to spite his face when it came to the school bus issue. In his defense many of us agree that the board's way of approving budgets is borderline dishonest and corrupt.

sighing
09-29-08 10:36 PM
Why can't the kids walk to a bus stop? Many school districts, including the one I went to, Schalmont, had no door-to-door pickup. We all (K through 12) walked to the bus stop, and many places had no sidewalks.

TiredOfTax
09-29-08 6:28 PM
continued: unexpected state aid in the general fund for future frivolous expenditures even when it could have been used for the bus purchase. Now once again I am upset.

TiredOfTax
09-29-08 6:26 PM
I was in full understanding that the bus purchase was with state aid when I voted and I voted it down. Why you ask, let me tell you. It all started for me when the BOE decided to rush in the decision to build the middle school, one year before they would have had to have voter approval. It was for me a turning point in my trust of the BOE finance abilities. Then the next thing was the nice letter I got explaining the huge capital improvement budget and how it wasn't going to cost the taxpayers a dime, yeah right. I voted against that one but sadly lost. The last hit was voting down this years budget and bus purchase YEAH! Just to have the BOE just put the budget in place with basically no attempt to cut ANY COSTS WHATSOEVER. Let me say I was so upset I voted the bus thing down again. I hoped that the message we sent was STOP spending. It looks like they wanted to spend it anyway, again without any thought to taxpayers. And to make it even worse they put the unexpected state aid in the

motherof2
09-29-08 1:37 PM
well after reading a few more of the old articles, i realized I was in the hospital having baby number 2 during the vote, and August was a very busy month for me not much reading of the newspaper. lol.

motherof2
09-29-08 1:21 PM
Thank you Jim, I just read that article and the only thing I can come up with now is, I don't think the taxpayers believed or realized that the state was going to put up that much money, It should have made more sense to spend 19 instead of 60 but who knows why, Maybe the school board has spurned the taxpayers before and now they are saying enough already. I didn't vote on it because I hadn't heard that much about it, and I don't like to vote on something that I don't really understand both sides of. Was it ever explained before the vote that it would cost more to lease?

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